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hradl
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New member from Austria

Post by hradl » Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:05 pm

Hi all,
Due to the recently auction of most of the RRR-collection in Vienna,
I could buy one of Erich Schenkel's 1st Rumi's, the Turismo, bj 52 in silver with red striping
motor number is 0262, 3 gears,
but no papers and we cannot find the frame number (where should it be?)
all we know is, that after some 3 years of negotiation, she was bought from a Mailand rider who at that time had started the restauration which was than finished in Vienna by Erich
also she was not used for more than 20 Years, tank was empty, so i tried new fuel and by the 6st step it started running again !!!!
of course she will have a careful rebuild of the running parts but is suspected to remain in condition as is.
Kindest regards
Hans
(member of KARO-Club Österreich)

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Re: New member from Austria

Post by hugomez » Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:18 pm

Hi Hans,

Welcome to Moto Rumi Forum and congratulation for your recent Rumi Turismo purchase.

Please have a look to see where the frame number is located.

Greets,
Hugo

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Re: New member from Austria

Post by hradl » Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:22 am

thanx for the info and pic
is the number allways on this place?
cause i cant see it there
might be, tht the frame has been repainted long ago. so i need to cut down old paint, which of course i do not want if notr realy shure about location.
other question:
in the pic from MatWard, you can see 2 screws besides the number, in Yours there are no screws ??? what could they be for?stabilizing footrest?
My motornumber is 0262. is there any documentation correlating motornumbers and framenumbers ?


regards
hans

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Re: New member from Austria

Post by hradl » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:53 am

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just sanded it down, but no sign of any numbers there
any clew wherelese it could be ?

but i will open a new log for this Turismo to get some photos in

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Re: New member from Austria

Post by hugomez » Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:28 pm

Hi Hans, the number should be there. I'm afraid somebody removed it. :shock:
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Re: 125 Turismo

Post by RUMISTI » Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:28 pm

Hi, look for the first model here.
Rudolf
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Re: New member from Austria

Post by hugomez » Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:05 pm

Nice one Rudolf!!!, I didn't know the first series of the Turismo has the frame number there, hopefully Hans will find it under the paint.
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Re: New member from Austria

Post by hradl » Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:49 pm

ok, i'll have a try tomorrow
the funny thing is, that back to 1981, when the rumi was sold by a dealer in alassio (original contract here with me,, the number was not known
even a original document by austrian customs, states "unknown number" but gets the new owner the allowance to register the "Rumi 125 Sport" in Austria, which he than never did.
at least i did get many pictures from that time which i can post continuosly
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Re: New member from Austria

Post by hradl » Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:54 pm

PS:
i of course investigated the original place of the number as seen in the 1st pic, but definitively, that has not been removed from there. if You look at the metall in detail, You can see the original iron structure from manufactoring, no signs of any later abressive work there, no sandblasting,.....
but lets wait for tomorrow

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Re: New member from Austria

Post by hradl » Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:59 pm

Ad RUMISTI
which Year is Yours?
Motor number?
cause thats what I suggested: early build machines might have had the number at a different place
s il have a closer look tomorrow

anyway, thanX in advance to all who try helping me

regards
hans

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Re: New member from Austria

Post by hradl » Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:23 am

Finally found it on the "dark side of the moon"!

Not as in the other pic, but on the chain side of the frame!

Number 025 !!!!!!
Seems to be a very early one?


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Re: New member from Austria

Post by hugomez » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:03 am

Congratulations!!!!!
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framenumbers, motornumbers

Post by hradl » Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:54 pm

Hi all,
As seen in the new member section,
i know own a '52 Turismo build in Italy
motor number is 0262, shown in the papers as well
frame number , as i with the help of some members here, could now find, pinched on the left frame side,
is 025 !!!!. this number until today, was unknown in all the papers i got with the machine since 1981! so i don't have any papers documenting the number, whether complete or only a substring

Does anybody have evidence about which numbers have been build when?
If 025 is correct, then it would be really one of the 1st ones ever build.
Would Rumi have used any prefixes, not hammered into the frame, which have to be added according to year of build?
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Re: New member from Austria

Post by hugomez » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:36 pm

Hi Hans,

Maybe you can contact "Roger Gedge". He is the person in charge in the Moto Rumi Club UK, to help people with documentations, dating certificates and so on. He may give you some lights regarding this question.

Beside him there are several people in the forum that has a lot of knowledges about serial numbers, maybe somebody pass by and give you some more clues.

Good luck with this. ;)

Greets,
Hugo

P.S: I moved your last topic here to keep the forum organized.
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Re: New member from Austria

Post by Montesa » Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:34 pm

Judging from the engine number 0262 and how it has been stamped and numbered, I would think if the bike was indeed the 25th built the frame number would read 0025 instead of 025. The number 025 suggests that this frame number is somewhere in the 0250 range of possible numbers and that the last number missing from the frame. There's clearly some metal missing from the frame beside the frame numbers, at least that's my guess.

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Re: New member from Austria

Post by hradl » Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:57 am

Looking at the other side of the frame, your guess makes sense to me,
Could have been a loose or broken chain which cutted the metal away somewhere in the past?
Thanks for your hints

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Re: New member from Austria

Post by RUMISTI » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:26 pm

Hi Hans,
as Adam suspects the number should be 4 digits and struck on the right side.
Regards Rudolf
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Re: New member from Austria

Post by hradl » Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:45 pm

I am out for the next couple of weeks, but when back ill try the "wazau acid method" to find out the 4th digit
Wll keep you informed
Hans

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Re: New member from Austria

Post by hradl » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:43 am

just did the "Wazau-acid" method !
here is, what did come out: (at the last one, i tried to follow the suspected lines with a pencil )
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for me it looks more like a 6 than a 0
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So , is there any evidence in the club about serialnumber 0256 or 0250 ?

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